BASANGA, CHICHI, CZAMANI AND DEMBEREZA

BASANGA, CHICHI AND DEMBEREZA

Basanga - 11:18 AM ET June 27, 2005 (#3428 of 3430)


Where do we go? What can I do?

I am a young African perplexed by the problems facing Africans, and blacks around the world. I think that the main obstacle to development for Africans and blacks in general is themselves. I remember in my sophomore year I attended a pro-black meeting in Philadelphia held my black Americans to “discus” (black people love to do this) the prevailing problems in the community. The whole meeting was a blaming session, it was white oppression that’s holding us back, it was the new immigrants (especially the Asians) that were taking all the jobs and opportunities that should be the African Americans and funny enough it was also mentioned that African immigrants were also at fault because they were industrious and taking their opportunities.


Does this sound similar? When will we be ready to take responsibility for our failures? I am not down playing the role colonialism played or how detrimental slavery was, but we also have a part to play in our own failure or success.

”I REPEAT AGAIN THAT THE EVILS OF WHAT GREEDY AND WICKED AFRICAN RULERS AND EMPLOYERS ARE DOING TO THEIR FELLOW AFRICANS IN AFRICA ARE WORSE THAN ALL THE EVILS THAT AFRICANS SUFFERED DURING THE WESTERN COLONIZATION OF AFRICA.” (Chichi316 - 11:34 AM ET June 26, 2005)


For years now the UN and western countries have poured billions of dollars into Africa. But we are no better off than we were before the aid. Is the problem really that there is a lack of aid or that the ruling minority has not been using these funds adequately. I think the answer is obvious even to a layman. The main question is what can we do to install a government that is working with the people’s interest at hand? And I think that’s the hardest question to answer. Can economic development occur where there is no real democracy, freedom of speech, respect for the law and human rights? I think that Africa’s record indicates the answer is no. The reason why western countries are so successful is because these elements are present. I think that for the next ten years the UN, western countries, and most importantly Africans and black people in general should try and focus on how to move towards real democracy.


I am young and had the opportunity to be educated abroad I want to be active in reconstructing Africa, but this task seems so daunting. I am sick and tired of talking, and want to take action. But where do we start. What can I do without risking my life?


Dembereza - 3:04 PM ET June 27, 2005 (#3429 of 3430)

Robert Mugabe Is A True Son Of Africa!!!


Chichi, You know what, pal? I am beginning to suspect that you ARE a White Man pretending to be an African. I think you are some White "farmer" from Zimbabwe whose land has been Africanized or you are one of the millions of white people around the globe who have learned how to parrot anti-Mugabe insults in defense of your now-landless brethren in Zimbabwe. White people are TRIBAL, you know. They stick together through thick and thin. They are no different than other peoples when it comes to tribalism. Thus you will find newspapers in Toronto, New York and London reporting the same news of a dead white man in Africa just because the dead white man was a victim of African violence. In the same day the newspapers in Toronto, London and New York report the violent end of the lone white man in Africa, perhaps hundreds of other people died but their death goes unreported. Goes to show you how tribal white people are. So are you white or black Chichi? Stop lying and confess. Have the balls to confess!!!


chichi316 - 6:16 AM ET June 28, 2005 (#3430 of 3430)


AFRICA IS TOO BLESSED TO BE DEPRESSED!


Dembereza,

Why not listen to the voice of Basanga, the voice of reason?


You said White folks stick together! No wonder they are united and are ahead of us.

Why can't we Africans stick together like the White folks do?

Africans are not united. They behave like tortoise and the fox.

Look at what Czamani said in truth about how Nigeria wants to kiss the white arse of the White man in order to win the favours of the White man?

THE OAU WAS USELESS AND THE AFRICAN UNION IS NOT BETTER.


Basanga my brother, we can do it.
We can make Africa to be a world leader and not a world beggar.

I mentioned Donald Duke a Young African state governor in Nigeria who is making us proud of our human and mineral resources. Because, he is making good use of our resources to develop his state Cross Rivers State in Nigeria. And if Donald Duke can do it, then others can do it.

I am a writer/publisher and TV/Film producer and I am engaged in sustainable human development. Both the French Government supports our NGO and sensible Nigerians like the publisher of the OVATION International magazine and others like Dr. Pat Utomi. And we have resolved to reject all the enemies of progress in Nigeria and to denounce them.

But, they don't want to leave public office. And we have resolved to get rid of them. Because, if we don't destroy their evils, their evils will destroy us.

Africans must unite to build a new Africa in the leadership of the world.

Africa can survive without any Western Aid.

Africa has all the human and mineral resources to be independent and self-reliant, without begging the G-8 for any Aid or loan.

Africa is too blessed to be depressed.

We are too blessed to be stressed.



Dembereza - 12:51 PM ET June 28, 2005 (#3431 of 3435)

Robert Mugabe Is A True Son Of Africa!!


Chichi,
You used the word "Basanga" in your post. It sounds more like a Congolese word than a Nigerian word. Are you sure you are from Nigeria? Are you sure you are not an OREO (White On The Inside and Black On The Outside, if it must be spelled out for you!) or a true white man? Why did you use a Congolese word when you say you are from Nigeria?


Czamani - 10:56 PM ET June 28, 2005 (#3432 of 3435)
(In response to Basanga.)

You are right that progress in Africa will never come without democracy taking hold. I must caution you though, do not mistake the notion of democracy advanced by Indo-Europeans as true democracy for in fact it is the opposite. Democracy as Indo-Europeans would like us to practice includes liberalizing markets, lowering labor protection and environmental standards and allowing Indo-Europeans to form the core of the propertied class on the continent. Popular will, when it opposes the free movement of wealth out of Africa and into Indo-European hands is always opposed by the western capitalist oligarchies that make no excuse for their rampant racism.

They will not ever say directly that they are opposed to the will of the majority of the people, but if you read between the lines and decode their cryptic speech the truth is there for all to see. For example: leaders such as Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela are routinely referred to as resorting to "populism" to stay in power... well let us analyze what they are saying to us... if resorting to "populism" means doing what is popular for political expediency then is this not democracy in the very purest essence of the word? Is not democracy when leadership does that which the majority of people would like them to do.... that which is popular or the popular will of the people? Right or wrong.... in a country where the vast majority of the population are poor, landless and Black does it not make sense that it would be the popular will to evict the greedy white landowners from their stolen farms and return them to rightful owners? A simply exercise of logic typically exposes the lies, deceit and hypocrisy of the evil-hearted. Even whites acknowledge that Robert Mugabe has massive popularity with the majority of the Blacks in all of Southern Africa.... Zimbabwe, South Africa, Zambia, Mozambique, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho, Swaziland and Malawi. How then does one explain how it is s threat to democracy if he is in power? That Mugabe is so popular not only with his own compatriots but also widely within the region is a testament to the core principle of democracy... yet the Indo-Europeans will continue to cry "populism" as if this is something to disparage. Secondly democracy is more than just showing up to vote every 5 years, democracy involves social and economic freedom and participation as well as political freedom. Democracy cannot exist in a situation where a small racist minority controls the economy from racially exclusive boardrooms that do not ask for a vote from their labor force, much less the general population before they engage in job elimination, wage decreases, or projects that threaten the environment.

Western governments and their Black puppet leaders in some African countries conveniently ignore that there is no democracy involved in running the economy. Yet they parrot democracy as something that we must learn from them while not ever engaging in that magic word again: "populism".

The great Vietnamese revolutionary Ho Chi Minh approached Winston Churchill early in his political development before becoming a communist to tell him that he admired the tenets of democracy and would like that form of government for his fellow Vietnamese.... Winston Churchill responded to him by stating that democracy was for whites, not "coolies" like him and that he should remember his place, this so incensed Ho Chi Minh and contributed to his development as a stalwart opposed to the Indo-Europeans perverted view of democracy. This is a true story and not a myth.

During this same period (the second European war) and soon thereafter, the United States was claiming to be fighting Hitler, and later fighting communism to spread democracy, at the very same time Blacks were being beaten, jailed, bombed, raped, hung from trees, and attacked by dogs for demanding their right to vote and be included in the so-called democracy that America was supposedly spreading to the planet.

Czamani - 10:58 PM ET June 28, 2005 (#3433 of 3435)
(In response to Basanga.)
Part 2

More recently the United States has supported un-democratic regimes in Zimbabwe until the late 1970's (known at that time to the white supremacists as "Rhodesia") Today, the united states of ameriKKKa continues to denounce the "populism" of elected leaders such as Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez, while continuing to be a strong, silent ally of Aristocracies such as Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, and of coup-installed governments such as the illegal regime of Gerard Latortue in Haiti, none of these examples of government have anything to do with "rule by and for the people". So Basanga you are right that there is very little democracy in Africa, and I admire and support your desire to make a difference, I also am a young African (born a descendant of stolen Africans on north American soil) who wishes to make a difference on the continent of my ancestral origin.

I believe that the first step is to consolidate democracy on the continent. Specifically this involves requiring that leaders appeal to "populism" and cease being puppets of western governments and multinational corporations... or, as in some cases, direct operatives of foreign intelligence agencies... as was Mobutu. This is a first step, Chichi will attest to this, as much of the Nigerian elite are western puppets or "Oreos" as Dembereza would say. The second step is to re-appropriate national resources, which entails seizing property, businesses and natural resources from minority and multinational control and returning control of those resources to the majority. In this respect it can be said that the economy is being democratized by allowing the majority of the population to have a stake in ownership of economic assists. The resources need to be distributed evenly so that a true level playing field is created. Every person should have equal opportunity to succeed in life not just in theory but also in practice, and this necessitates a vast redistribution of wealth. Lastly, after "populist" leaders are installed, and wealth is redistributed to the majority, truly democratic nations must work together to ensure that they are not bullied into submission by the anti-democratic regimes and greedy corporations that characterize most of the western world... to this extent some progress is being made as evidenced by the African Union refusing to demonize Robert Mugabe at the behest of the white supremacist lobby and at the expense of dealing with real African crisis such as that happening in the DR Congo, Sudan and other places where instead of poor people worrying about having to move back to the country with their relatives because their filthy crime-ridden illegal slum was demolished, they have to worry about being hacked by a machete for simply existing. Thus, Basanga to contribute to the African renaissance which is already underway you and I and all other "true sons of Africa" should contribute to one, two or all three of the major objectives stated above... to recap:

1. Install populist leaders that will enact laws that are wanted by the popular will of the majority of the population, facilitating true political participatory democracy.

2. Reposes and redistribute, land, natural resources, businesses and other forms of wealth, including education, from the hands of multinational corporations and greedy minorities to the hands of the majority of the people, facilitating true economic democracy.

3. Defend your God-given right to control your own destiny and support the defense of other democratic countries from the assaults of the racists, the imperialists and the domestic African elitists.


Czamani - 10:59 PM ET June 28, 2005 (#3434 of 3435)
(In response to Basanga.)
Part 3

One final note... you ask how to do this without risking your life... such is impossible, freedom is never given voluntarily by the oppressors it must be taken by the oppressed. No African nation was born into independence without sacrifice. This is not to say that one should seek martyrdom, strive to live and thrive in spite of their assaults but understand that your very life is always at risk when you challenge the powerful and the wicked. Robert Mugabe is a great example as he will most certainly die of old age... others such as Patrice Lumumba and Samora Machel were not so fortunate, but their sacrifice enabled us to begin our journey towards redemption, but we still have a long way to go. It is youth such as you and I that must make the decision, I for one would rather die free than live as a slave... and though I do not seek martyrdom I understand that those who oppose the African renaissance, white or black, will not stand idly by. Nonetheless I plan to die of old age and I wish the same to you! Amandla... Awethu! (The power is ours.)


Chichi316 - 5:18 PM ET June 29, 2005 (#3435 of 3435)

Good Talk

Czamani Well articulated. That was quite a lecture on Black Consciousness and the restoration of Africa. The salient points of your essay are well noted. I hope we are not the only people in this forum. Because, the full benefits of your views would be better appreciated if more Africans know about them and they can also join in the sensitization and mobilization of the poor majority in Africa without much education to understand the values of your statements.